Giving the Best of Syria to the Islamic State Caliphate features 22-year-old Syrian Abu Valid, a former Free Syrian Army commander forced to join ISIS, who was interviewed in December 2015, in southern Turkey, by Anne Speckhard and Ahmet Yayla. This video clips was edited and produced by Zack Baddorf and our ICSVE team.
In this video, Abu Valid speaks about the hardships Syrians, including his family, suffered under ISIS. He starts by telling about the people selling their livestock just to be able to eat and drink and how ISIS would take the best 7 percent of flocks for themselves. While Abu Valid escaped from Raqqa into southern Turkey where he was interviewed by ICSVE researchers, he continued to worry about his wife and family still caught inside ISIS territory. ISIS cadres“eat the best food, while the people [struggle],” Abu Valid explains and continues from reports he is receiving from family members, “Even in Raqqa and Mayadin, I know people are eating straight out of the trash.”
Abu Valid speaks about ISIS being broke now and squeezing the local population even more, seizing their homes and demanding payments for water bills owed to the Syrian government. Meanwhile the population struggling under their corrupt and cruel governance sell their gold and even their furniture to try to stay alive.
“If people in Deir or Raqqa had the chance to run away from ISIS, 92 percent of the people would defect,” Abu Valid says at a time when ISIS still controlled those areas.
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Do you believe Abu Valid is who he says he is?
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Do you think it’s fair for ISIS to demand payment for water bills owed to the Syrian government?
Do you think ISIS was governing well, if people living under them had to sell their animals, gold and even furniture to stay alive?
ISIS promises to rule by Islamic ideals, do you believe them?
Transcript of Giving the Best of Syria to the Islamic State Caliphate video:
Giving the Best of Syria to the Islamic State Caliphate
Concerning people’s situation there, the region where my parents are,
people were selling their sheep and cows to be able to eat and drink.
There are no more sheep and cows left.
Most of them died with the [Syrian] regime’s raids and the rest are killed by ISIS.
There are also [ISIS] taxes.
If you have a hundred sheep, [ISIS fighters] would pick out and take the best seven of them.
Former ISIS Soldier
They take them, slaughter and eat them. They eat the best food, while the people [struggle].
Even in Raqqa and Mayadin, I know people are eating straight out of the trash.
My parents and relatives are all dear to my heart.
They want to leave [Syria] in any way possible, because life is now very bad.
They had furniture. They sold it.
Those who used to have gold sold it to be able to eat and drink.
Nothing is left to sell anymore. ISIS is seizing homes.
Twenty-five days ago, [ISIS] seized our second home because I am a defector.
Concerning Syria, we know that in Iraq they robbed two banks and they took oil fields.
They did the same in Syria. We don’t have banks. They took oil fields and oil wells.
They [took] Raqqa’s antiquities of Deir [ez Zor] to support themselves militarily.
Now, [ISIS] is broke.
So, they turned to the civilians with fines.
For six years, no one paid their water bills to the [Syrian] regime.
Now, ISIS is demanding that money.[ISIS] is broke now. They turned to the civilians [for money]. They turned brothers against each other.
If people in Deir or Raqqa had the chance to run away from ISIS,
92 percent of the people would defect.
Anne Speckhard, Ph.D., is Director of the International Center for the Study of Violent Extremism (ICSVE) and serves as an Adjunct Associate Professor of Psychiatry at Georgetown University School of Medicine. She has interviewed over 600 terrorists, their family members and supporters in various parts of the world including in Western Europe, the Balkans, Central Asia, the Former Soviet Union and the Middle East. In the past two years, she and ICSVE staff have been collecting interviews (n=94) with ISIS defectors, returnees and prisoners, studying their trajectories into and out of terrorism, their experiences inside ISIS, as well as developing the Breaking the ISIS Brand Counter Narrative Project materials from these interviews. She has also been training key stakeholders in law enforcement, intelligence, educators, and other countering violent extremism professionals on the use of counter-narrative messaging materials produced by ICSVE both locally and internationally as well as studying the use of children as violent actors by groups such as ISIS and consulting on how to rehabilitate them. In 2007, she was responsible for designing the psychological and Islamic challenge aspects of the Detainee Rehabilitation Program in Iraq to be applied to 20,000 + detainees and 800 juveniles. She is a sought after counterterrorism expert and has consulted to NATO, OSCE, foreign governments and to the U.S. Senate & House, Departments of State, Defense, Justice, Homeland Security, Health & Human Services, CIA and FBI and CNN, BBC, NPR, Fox News, MSNBC, CTV, and in Time, The New York Times, The Washington Post, London Times and many other publications. She regularly speaks and publishes on the topics of the psychology of radicalization and terrorism and is the author of several books, including Talking to Terrorists, Bride of ISIS, Undercover Jihadi and ISIS Defectors: Inside Stories of the Terrorist Caliphate. Her publications are found here: https://georgetown.academia.edu/AnneSpeckhard: and on the ICSVE website